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Neither. They cost me about an extra hour of drive time going home because they shut the highway down I take home.
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| Posts: 7258 | Location: St. Louis, MO. USA | Registered: April 19, 2001 |    |
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I thought it was really good. I watched it with the sound down so I have no idea what they said but it mannerisms were spot on.
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Didn't watch it. Out of curiosity, do people actually get swayed based on a debate? I think it is the better part of wisdom to do research on the issues, past voting history, etc. rather than listen to speeches written to create little sound bites. Either of them could have talked circles around the other and it wouldn't impact my vote in the least. The same is true with the presidential debate. Do I want someone who is a good orator? Or someone who genuinely cares about the direction that this country has gone and where it needs to go?
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| Posts: 6282 | Location: Hartville, MO | Registered: March 03, 2000 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by Skip: Didn't watch it.
Out of curiosity, do people actually get swayed based on a debate? I think it is the better part of wisdom to do research on the issues, past voting history, etc. rather than listen to speeches written to create little sound bites. Either of them could have talked circles around the other and it wouldn't impact my vote in the least. The same is true with the presidential debate. Do I want someone who is a good orator? Or someone who genuinely cares about the direction that this country has gone and where it needs to go?
Skip, most people will vote for their party's candidates regardless of any debates. There are some independents though that are swayed one way or another by debates and that makes a big difference when the voting is close. Choosing who to vote for is not as easy as you make it sound. How exactly do you make an educated vote based on a politician's voting history? If they used common sense and voted for one issue at a time, then it would be easy. Unfortunately though there's this thing called politics that allows them to bundle things together. Look at all the crap in the $700 billion bailout bill. Someone who supports a bailout may not vote in favor of this bill because of all the extra nonsense bundled in it. So if I had a nice website to visit, though I don't know that one exists, that shows me the voting record of each candidate, it doesn't really tell the whole story. You'd probably have to spend 10 hours a week, 50 weeks a year to keep track and make sense of all this stuff. And let's be honest, the average joe citizen is not going to do that. If Joe is not already aligned with a party, he's going to hear a few sound bites here and there and cast his vote. Or let's be more honest, he's not even going to vote. And who can blame him. Politicians live in a world of such undecipherable mess that it's nearly impossible to know who is doing what. Some politicians, even well liked ones, think that the definition of "is" is up for debate. Of course Joe is going to be made to feel guilty for not voting even though he has a nearly impossible task of really knowing what's going on. And look at the integrity of the politicians he has to choose from. The decision makers in this country don't care much what you think, they take money from special interest groups and let them decide what's best for the country. Or actually no, not what's best for the country, what's best for them. Gotta love politics. Good luck voting this year, though I have no grudge against those who choose not to vote.
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| Posts: 938 | Location: Tucson, AZ | Registered: August 26, 2002 |    |
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Now that I've had the opportunity to purge some negativity, I will say that without a doubt I think the U.S. is the best place in the world. Fortunately I at least have the freedom to complain about politics. I've been to Mexico and South America and I can understand why many of the people there would give almost anything to get into the U.S. Just to keep things in perspective, here's a clip from a friend's blog who currently lives in Brazil. quote: From blog: If you are like me, you're getting pretty tired of all the madness that accompanies the election season. All the name-calling, bickering, and empty promises. Then there are the cars with giant loudspeakers that drive around all day playing political propaganda, the incessant firecrackers, and the frequent assassinations.
I haven't been following the elections in the US very closely, but I can't get away from them here in Brazil. Hardly a minute of the day goes by that I don't hear firecrackers (really big ones) or loudspeaker cars trying to draw our attention to some politician. And it really annoys me when I get a politician's campaign song stuck in my head - some of them have really catchy tunes.
Voting is mandatory here. Every citizen who is of age is obligated to vote. If you are away from the area where you are registered then you have to show up at the polls anyway and get some kind of exemption. If you don't vote, then you have to pay a fine the next time you have to renew documents or do any business with the government. My wife, being a Brazilian citizen, has to do this.
One of the headlines in the news today is that there have been 20 political candidates assassinated so far in this election. Another headline says that in this election so far, the government has authorized military troops to occupy 302 cities. Their job is to maintain order during the election season and to protect candidates from "militias", organized crime, and drug traffickers.
This is not the presidential election cycle, it is for positions like mayors and governors and such. As a foreigner, there is a lot I still don't understand about politics here. I hear a lot of gossip about corruption, but I don't really know what the truth is. But one thing that seems evident is that being a politician, even a low level one, is a desirable job. There must be some powerful incentive for people to seek a position that makes them a target. So if anyone really wants to get into politics, a couple of positions just opened up this week.
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| Posts: 938 | Location: Tucson, AZ | Registered: August 26, 2002 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by Optimus Prime: If Joe is not already aligned with a party, he's going to hear a few sound bites here and there and cast his vote.
I don't disagree with your analysis at all, OP. Its a bit troubling that the balance of power is decided by the relatively uninformed (party affiliation or not). I am a registered Republican and historically I have voted straight down the party line. I also would probably have considered myself somewhat informed - though today I would say I was less so than I thought. Having spent more time in this arena, I know much more than I did four years ago. Most know that I supported Ron Paul during the primaries and now that we are almost to the general election, I will be supporting Chuck Baldwin. He is the Constitution Party candidate and embodies many more of my beliefs than the Republican Party. I will also be voting for a Democrat for the first time in my life. Aside from one issue (health care), he is a much more conservative option than his opponent. Some will say that I am wasting my vote. I guess I would say that my vote would be wasted if I voted for someone I didn't believe in. Overall, I don't think it matters. I don't trust either party anymore.
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| Posts: 6282 | Location: Hartville, MO | Registered: March 03, 2000 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by Skip:
Some will say that I am wasting my vote. I guess I would say that my vote would be wasted if I voted for someone I didn't believe in.
Overall, I don't think it matters. I don't trust either party anymore.
The idea of a third party vote being a wasted vote is sadly a self-fulfilling prophecy. Since people believe voting for a third party is a waste they don't vote for them and since people are not voting for them they have no chance to win. I think people are finally getting so fed up with the two parties we have that enough people might start voting third party. It could still take a decade or two but if election trends see a rise in third party votes then it could encourage others to vote for someone they believe in instead of the lesser of the two evils.
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