With the Tennessee win last night, Summit won her 1000 games as a coach. That is amazing enough, but after looking at here record, it is staggering how successful she has been.

1000-187, 18 final fours, 8 national titles. Lets put this persective. That is going to a final four every other year in her 35 years of coaching. Just take away all the final fours and national champs. 1000-187 record stands alone as just an incredible record.

100% graduation rate, just as amazing.

So, for any young coaches who think they want to set a goal and break that record, lets put some numbers out there for them. If a coach won 30 games a year for 30 straight years, well, you still need 100 more wins to catch her.

Men, Women, aliens, cats, dogs, black, white, purple. It doesn't matter, she will go down as maybe the greatest coach of all time. This is not like these old time football coaches who have a million wins, but almost as many losses. Summit has carries a 85% winning percentage over 35 years. Amazing numbers.

It is a great accomplishment, but for YEARS (when she was going to all the final 4s) the competition was very bad. Elite recruits went to one of about 4 schools, and shockingly enough, those teams often went to the final four.

Just saying.

You can have her. Give me bobby knight. Every time.

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Originally posted by Boomer24:
It is a great accomplishment, but for YEARS (when she was going to all the final 4s) the competition was very bad. Elite recruits went to one of about 4 schools, and shockingly enough, those teams often went to the final four.

Just saying.

I thought you may have been right here, but after looking, you are not.

first 17 years, 442-118 for ONLY a 79% winning percentage. 3 Titles in that period, and 8 final four appearances.

In the second half, after 90-91, an 89% winning percentage, 5 NCAA Titles(including a 39-0 season in 97-98), and 10 final four appearances.

Just a quick amazing stat. Every player on the Lady Vols team, since 1976 has played in at least one final four.

I am not saying you are not right that she gets alot of the elite talent. So does USC and Oklahoma and Texas and Florida in football, and you do not see anything like the domination that Pat Summit teams have been able to accomplish.

Getting the talent is one thing, winning with it is another. Ask your beloved YANKEES.

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Originally posted by Glassman:

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Originally posted by Boomer24:
It is a great accomplishment, but for YEARS (when she was going to all the final 4s) the competition was very bad. Elite recruits went to one of about 4 schools, and shockingly enough, those teams often went to the final four.

Just saying.

I thought you may have been right here, but after looking, you are not.

first 17 years, 442-118 for ONLY a 79% winning percentage. 3 Titles in that period, and 8 final four appearances.

In the second half, after 90-91, an 89% winning percentage, 5 NCAA Titles(including a 39-0 season in 97-98), and 10 final four appearances.

Just a quick amazing stat. Every player on the Lady Vols team, since 1976 has played in at least one final four.

I am not saying you are not right that she gets alot of the elite talent. So does USC and Oklahoma and Texas and Florida in football, and you do not see anything like the domination that Pat Summit teams have been able to accomplish.

Getting the talent is one thing, winning with it is another. Ask your beloved YANKEES.

USC, Oklahoma and Texas get elite talent.... So does Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Michigan, Miami, Florida State, Etc Etc Etc Etc.....

Womens College basketball recruits went to:

1970s - Tennessee
1980s - Tennessee or La Tech
1990s - Tennessee or UConn
2000s - Tenn, UCONN, NC, Duke for a few years

I hope you arent trying to make the argument that the recruiting competition is nearly the same. If you are a big name recruit in college football there might be one of 50 schools you go to. If you are a big time recruit in womens basketball, there is a handful.

No doubt that she worked her tail off to get that notoriety(sp), but after she did that, she had it pretty easy.

And be nice about the MLB..... Touche'...



Im still trying to figure out what to make of this AFraud situation. One name released out of 104....I hope we get even a quarter of the rest of those names.

And theres no doubt that I wish they were back in their home grown stage, that was my childhood, and that was how they won all the rings. After 2000, they went away from that, and have nothing but high attendance to show for that.

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Originally posted by Boomer24:
And be nice about the MLB..... Touche'...



Im still trying to figure out what to make of this AFraud situation. One name released out of 104....I hope we get even a quarter of the rest of those names.

And theres no doubt that I wish they were back in their home grown stage, that was my childhood, and that was how they won all the rings. After 2000, they went away from that, and have nothing but high attendance to show for that.

I have to wonder how much money someone had to pay to get A-Rods name off a list that was supposed to be completely confadential. As unfair as it is to A-Rod, it would be just as unfair to the rest of those guys on the list. I would hate to see a bunch more names being slung through the mud just because we can.

I think there may be a huge side effect if that happens as well. All these players took these tests based on written guarantee that it would stay confidential. If this list gets out, even only at 25%, MLB could have the biggest law suit on their hands that they have ever had to face.

I don't know if anything could ever get rid of baseball entirely, but a few billion dollar lawsuit loss would cripple the game. Maybe it needs it, I don't know. As I have said for a long time, steroids was a much bigger part of the game than most would have ever assumed going back into the 80's.

So is ARod out of the hall of fame now? And what about Roger Clemens?

Unless you are going to go back into the hall of fame and take everyone out that may have been using then I say no.
It hurts me to start a list of players, because I loved to watch these guys play and respected all of them as players. With that said, knowing the era when they played, here is a list of HOF players I suspect and am probably right in saying they used.

Wade Boggs, George Brett, Gary Carter, Dennis Eckersly, Eddie Murray, Kirby Puckett, Rhyne Sandberg, Mike Schmidt, Dave Winfield, Robin Yount.

A few more may have been added as well. I look at Nolan Ryan and think either he was a freak of nature, or he had help. It hurt having to put Brett and Schmidt on this list, I couldn't bring myself to adding Ryan as well.

I have seen it first hand. Many guys didn't use it to make their game better, but simply to come back from an injury faster. If there is one truth in all professional sports, there is always someone waiting to try and take your job, no matter how good you are. Missing time for alot guys can be a career altering event. The faster you get back from injury, the better off you are.

I will come out and just say when I hurt my back I took steroids to cut my recovery time. I didn't think anything of it at the time because, quite simply, it was common among players and the teams new about it, and secretly probably liked the idea of not losing out on their investments for long periods of time.

The faster baseball admits steroids were a part of the environment of baseball, the faster it will go away. The teams need to quit acting like they new nothing was going on, when, in fact, in the late 80's and early 90's you could get them from the team physicians.

All I know is this: There is no way Glass gets my vote now for the HOF. Went from a virtual lock to borderline at best with this revelation. Can't say I'm surprised, though.

I know where you live. Don't make me live through a roid rage flashback.

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I know where you live. Don't make me live through a roid rage flashback.

Like that time you thought someone stole your fairy suit?

Boy is this conversation way off topic!

That said, I think we have to be getting closer to a time that everyone just admits what happened and moves on. Glass reverting "from seen it but never did it" to telling the truth is proof of that. I only heard part of the interview today but it sounded like A-Rod pretty much said "yeah I took stuff for about 3 years". If he can come out with that, I'm sure others will be willing to step up and take responsibility for their actions as well.