Finally... no more Bush

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Originally posted by Sportz Genius:
Finally... no more Bush

Something we can agree on 100%.

Truly historic moment for this country.

I'll give Barrack (B Man ) props on making a good speech. I'm almost a believer....

any chance he even mentions the college playoff system now that he's in the white house? or was his monday night football answer just politickin'?

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Originally posted by Sportz Genius:
Finally... no more Bush

Don't count him out... he's got a couple of months of lame-duck-ness to screw up the country just a little bit more.

I am quite uncertain how I feel this morning.

I don't like Bush, don't like McCain, and don't like Obama. It was becoming more and more evident to me that this is exactly the result we were going to get.

Ultimately, I don't think the decision mattered. I have no confidence in either party that they are capable of good government or making morally just decisions.

I think this election was as much a backlash against the current administration, which I believe has some justification, as it was in favor of Obama himself.

As someone who is much more conservative than the driving forces behind the Republican party, I can only pray for wisdom for our President Elect. Much of what he has said in the past and through this campaign, I absolutely cannot support at all.

Skip,

McCain is moderate and doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he truly is. I can understand that as a true conservative you don't like him much. He's not my favorite guy either. Obama on the other hand pretended to be somewhat moderate so he could get elected, but now we will see how far left he really is. If you didn't prefer McCain over Obama, I think your opinion might change over the next few years.

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Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
If you didn't prefer McCain over Obama, I think your opinion might change over the next few years.

I didn't say that at all. Given a choice of the two, I would rather have had McCain in office. I voted for neither of them.

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Originally posted by gianmarco:
Neat article

Thanks for the feel-good story. It is always refreshing to hear good news.

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Originally posted by Skip:

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Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
If you didn't prefer McCain over Obama, I think your opinion might change over the next few years.

I didn't say that at all. Given a choice of the two, I would rather have had McCain in office. I voted for neither of them.

You voted for who you liked best, nothing wrong with that. If you didn't vote for McCain or Obama though you effectively weighed them equally because they were the only two candidates who had a chance. I respect you voting for a third party candidate though if there was someone there you really like. Maybe long-term it will help a third party candidate have a chance, but probably not.

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Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
If you didn't vote for McCain or Obama though you effectively weighed them equally because they were the only two candidates who had a chance.

I was sharing a story with my wife just last evening of my recollection of the 1980 election with Reagan/Carter/Anderson. I was 9 years old for that election and we spent a fair amount of time in class leading up to it. I recall vividly talking to my mother about her wasting her vote because she voted for Anderson.

I chalk this up to a product of a system - whether media, or education, or who knows from what other source...that has us convinced that there are only two options. And 99% of America buys it.

I voted for the candidate who best reflected my beliefs: Chuck Baldwin.

That does not mean I viewed the other two equally. I didn't like them for different reasons.

May be that's idealistic, but I look at it differently. Before the founding of this country the numbers of men who stood up to oppression of England were very small - on the order of 3% of the population. And that was at the start of the Revolutionary War. As things continued, the population slowly joined in and the rest is history.

I am not advocating revolution. But I would rather be in the 3% who is willing to stick their neck out for what they believe. I believe in this country and the documents on which it was founded. And I observe a government that does not. I believe that voting for either candidate in the two major parties would be an endorsement of what they stand for. And I simply could not do that.

You have excellent reasons for voting the way you did, no one can dispute that. I'm just saying that the other side of the coin is that voting for McCain would have given him a better chance of beating Obama, which was your desired outcome if Baldwin couldn't win. You accomplished other goals with your vote though and those are more important to you. I'm always impressed when someone takes the time to think these things through. You clearly put a lot of thought into your vote, no doubt.

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Originally posted by Skip:
I am quite uncertain how I feel this morning.

I don't like Bush, don't like McCain, and don't like Obama. It was becoming more and more evident to me that this is exactly the result we were going to get.

Ultimately, I don't think the decision mattered. I have no confidence in either party that they are capable of good government or making morally just decisions.

I think this election was as much a backlash against the current administration, which I believe has some justification, as it was in favor of Obama himself.

As someone who is much more conservative than the driving forces behind the Republican party, I can only pray for wisdom for our President Elect. Much of what he has said in the past and through this campaign, I absolutely cannot support at all.

This sums up my feelings pretty damn well. I didn't like either candidate much at all and am very worried about the current state of our country and the world in general. I don't think any republican nominee could have won this election given the country's frustration with the current administration.

Although, I didn't vote for Obama, I respect the office enough to give him support and hope that he can do what is truly right for the country. Hopefully he will govern a little more to the middle than his past record, that is a big concern of mine. I truly he admit that he is an eloquent speaker and very charismatic and imo that is what really drew people to him. Inspirational speaking goes a long way with the masses whether it has substance or not. This isn't meant as a slam on Obama, but I still have no clue what this guy's views are on almost anything.

In the end, we all want what is best for this country and I hope things really do work out for his term.